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% `* w2 E/ B/ W, H, q, q必须告诉你,北航等工信部高校都被美国10043禁令限制了,如果去了航理哈等工信部高校,将来无法到美国甚至欧洲留学!除非你非常确定自己将来一定不会出国,否则千万别去。同档次还有很多其他学校可以选呀,多给自己留条路!不然你就只能在国内被996压榨了!!
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& r' j! S- R, u7 x都几年了,居然还有这么多人不知道10043禁令!在此科普一下,美国总统特朗普在2020年5月出台了10043禁令,被10043禁令限制的学校的学生,将来都不能到美国和五眼联盟国家留学,现在欧洲签证甚至都有影响了!ETH就是例子!2024年10月,ETH(瑞士苏黎世联邦理工)禁止中国17所大学的学生去瑞士留学!10043禁令主要限制国防七子和北邮的学生出国留学,国防七子是指北京航空航天大学、北京理工大学、哈尔滨工业大学、哈尔滨工程大学、南京航空航天大学、南京理工大学、西北工业大学!从2020年开始,以上这几个学校的学生就不能去美国留学了!0 ^5 n2 v$ S8 M
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这些学校的招生老师在招生时故意隐瞒不能出国留学的这些信息,实在太可恶了!!!1 O/ }% t4 g7 J- B, v
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0 N1 o# K: `# o2 o s1 j" [/ l千万不要低估10043的威力和破坏力,这是我想说的主题!先说态度:我也认为10043不合理、只不过“我认为”没用,关键是“美国认为”!10043不仅仅是堵死了去美国的路那么简单,而是美国在用它的影响力在无形中封杀(尽管其本意并非如此,反正中美互相不免签)!有人说,咱不移民了、多没骨气,倾力爱国、至死不渝。这本来就是很好很好的,但你水平高了,能不参加国际会议么?如果国际会议因为10043给你一个莫名其妙的拒签怎么办? f6 d5 Q4 T8 w2 T. P( W f
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' }3 ?6 ]! m' _# a; ]. N而且就算纯混国内,也要吸取统战价值的思路,这是我第二点要说的:国内职场,不仅不会因为10043“同情”北航北理的毕业生,反而会因为知道他们没有去美国的后路,而变相压榨和欺辱!别人在大厂敢跟领导拍桌子,因为拍完了就去美国了;你北航毕业的敢么?国内大厂除了美国谁也不鸟,我觉得这就是一种底气和信心!你说我进对口的国防啊、政府部门、国企之类的,大厂太铜臭对,但想想同样对口的地方,别的好大学都是系里前几名出国让出来保研、就业名额,只有10043这些学校系里前几名也在那里卷,无形中还是降低了机会!10043真的那么糟糕么?其实未必。我认为是一种魔咒一般,其实没多大影响力,但因为堵死了一条路,导致整体的感觉和体验会非常不舒服!至于认为10043反而说明“这几个学校有水平的”,还是建议去当华为粉,做自媒体,学啥子计算机哦!美国在这件事情上确实不厚道、有歧视、伤及无辜——尤其我认为,10043应该至少留出4年以上的Grace Period(宽容期),那几年报北航北邮的想出国的冤枉死了
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+ x& ~' R5 K$ |$ c# }) J# D你可以不去美国,但至少要给自己留个后路。高中刚毕业你可能觉得自己以后绝对不会出国,出国离自己太远。但上着学你看到朋友圈里曾经的高中同学一个NYC一个LA,你会慢慢改变心态的。或者毕了业在公司996期间刷着脉脉的时候看到有湾区码农晒offer package bonus的时候,你会再一次动摇。这玩意儿跟长期base北京的人的北京户口一样,刚开始你觉得买不起房以后也不结婚不生孩子所以不需要,但万一哪天你需要了,就t喵的卡死你
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18岁的你现在不想出国,不代表22岁的你不想。就不提那种为了更好的生活,更高的收入想润的,或者有其他想法,也不提你想读博将来追求更高的学术成就。; b* v2 x9 Y. i4 S* ?1 a
单就研究生升学而言,你不想出国万一考不上研又保不上研呢?考到北航北理的分,你能选择深造的大陆高校很少了,最起码本校及以上的学校吧,这都卷成麻花了,去了的都是高分进去的,别对自己太自信。家里能支持的,很多都是考研,留学两手准备。早点工作赚钱比你二战好多了。
8 j' ]( a. ?! h再者说你说你家里穷的叮当响,这辈子不去留学,那你还是慎重选择。你不去,你同学要出去的,相同保研率的情况下,你们班在保研区间的相当一部分人是想出国的。所以可能区别就是前30%可以保研和前35+%可以保研的区别。
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哈工大深圳cs本科未来五年还有可能去美国top30留学吗? https://www.zhihu.com/question/450619146
Q7 S, h4 H! Z4 H浅谈10043:针对特定学校的留美禁令 https://zhuanlan.zhihu.com/p/636182518' W" I& D' }+ _# k
10043高校出国限制具体体现在哪? https://www.zhihu.com/question/623191875
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2, https://www.zhihu.com/question/408539522/answer/3085545695) v2 Y! {( }; G8 v5 L& J1 B
3, https://www.zhihu.com/question/408539522/answer/3145249246
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